T.J. Lyttle ([info]teegerthelemur) wrote,
@ 2005-05-09 22:39:00
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strip it down, take it away and start over
As members of the Rock, we've all been dreaming about what could be in store for The Rock with the new audio plus building. I guess you could say I haven't been so much dreaming about what could be, but I've been dreaming about what shouldn't be. It is my main desire to see the Rock grow to be on the cutting edge of cultural relevancy, and subsequently, to win an amazing amount of people for Christ. What I'm about to present may shock some of you, it may offend some of you, and it definitely will present ideas that are outside of our comfort zones, but I believe that God is asking us to do something new, something crazy.

Currently the Rock operates with a production type of approach. We play loud music, we use video productions, we have lots of lights and we have a speaker. Its basically the same format every friday night the Rock is held. We hear a few songs, hear announcements, watch a silly video or an awesome star wars trailer, hear a speaker, worship some and then head downstairs to the Rock cafe (which by the way, emily and jana and whoever else puts that together, you guys do an awesome job). The production model is outdated and ineffective. It was once effective, but it no longer is. Why? you may ask. Because any college student who is looking for a good production is going to find it at the bars while listening to a good secular band and drinking their favorite alcoholic drinks. They are not going to come listen to worship music and be surrounded by a bunch of christians at a church event.

Another problem the Rock experiences is conflicting purposes. We call the Rock an outreach, yet we play intense worship music. The unbelieving person doesn't get worship music, because they don't "get" the One we are worshipping. But because we are trying to invite our unsaved friends, we don't go all out for worship because we don't want to alienate them.

How can we make the Rock effective as an outreach?

I think we should scale the rock back to 2 times a month. We shouldn't have worship music and we shouldn't have a speaker. No college student who has spent a week in class wants to spend their friday night being lectured. Instead we should have discussions open to the whole community. We should be asking people the big and tough questions. Questions like, "What's wrong with the Church?" and "How can there be a good God in a world of such pain?" and etc. And we should invite everybody we can to discuss it on a friday night. I don't think the Rock should build a stage. The cultural signifigance of a stage is that it elevates certain people over the rest of the people. We should set up 2 microphones and allow people to present their opinions about the given topic. There should obviously be a moderator, but mainly to give order to the discussion. And at the end of the discussion time we as the Rock should admit that we don't have all the answers, but we have come to experience something real in our midst, and we would love people to hang out with us, have a few drinks (yes, that would be alcoholic drinks as well) and see if they too can experience Christ as we know him. The whole premise of this approach is that we are trying to start a dialogue with people. A dialogue is a two way conversation that leaves room to continue the conversation. It's letting Christ witness to people in a way that is far more powerful than our best attempts. Then the other 2 friday nights during the month we could do any number of things. We could have an all out worship night. Again, I would open this night up to the whole community, but tell them that we love to sing to praise Jesus, and they are invited to check it out. Then maybe the other friday we could have an all rock prayer nite. This would be beneficial because people could just plan on spending their friday night at the rock like they normally would. If we want to reach those "far from the cross" we are going to have to start asking the right questions, and we have to start crafting the Rock to be enticing to them. If we really are serious about reaching the people who are in the "bar scene" we have to serve alcoholic drinks. We simply aren't going to win those people by serving kool-aid and playing audio adrenalines "Big, big house" really loud.

I may not have explained this as fully as I needed to, so feel free to ask me questions about these crazy ideas.

-teege



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(Anonymous)
2005-05-10 06:00 am UTC (link)
Good post. I'm sorry I never gave you a holy kiss goodbye, things got crazy with packing and such. ;)First on the serving alcohol issue: it's definitely a way to match the bars, but remember that nobody under 21 could be there, plus legal issues and costs like licensing are involved. Not gonna happen. Plus, people usually go to bars to drink not just a social 1 or 2 drinks, but to either "hook up" or get wasted, and so I don't think the Rock could ever be (nor should ever be) a replacement for the literal bar experience. If people really want alcohol, then the bar it is. The challenge is to make the "Rock event" better than what the bars offer by being real and honest and such, and I think your other ideas hit that pretty well.
Also, I have no idea of your heart in this so don't take this as being negative necessarily, but keep in mind Proverbs 22:28 "Do not move the ancient boundary stone which your fathers have set." True, the verse literally is speaking of stones that demarcate property lines and not "the way things have been done", but I think there is some meaning to that effect that can be extracted from the verse, or maybe I'm just way out in left field. So my point in sharing the verse is this: I think everyone agrees that changes need to happen, but I also believe much good fruit has come out of the "current model" and as such should be recognized, and I don't think the approach to change should be "strip it down, take it away, and start over" but instead something much like we are doing with the construction of the building. It doesn't quite fit our needs, but we aren't tearing it down and building a new one, we are going to go in and carefully gut a few walls and add supporting beams and such where they are needed, and update the infrastructure for electrical things, etc. I think that is the attitude we all need to have, in order to respect what those before us have done with the student group, because 6 years ago it was almost non-existant from what I understand. If your heart is that way also, then ignore what I said but I think it would be good to explain your suggestions in that light so others do not get the wrong idea of what you mean.
Have fun painting, make sure to mention "Karen" to Lyle.....just be ready for an earful :)

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-10 06:02 am UTC (link)
ps, that previous comment was by Erik. :)

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Following this to its logical conclusion...
[info]kirstenjoyhill
2005-05-10 04:25 pm UTC (link)
I'm just going to pick on one of your ideas...not because I want to nitpick, but because apart from whether or not your premise is correct (That what we do at the Rock currently won't reach people), I am wondering how you might answer some questions that immediately popped into my head. I can give thoughts on other things later, perhaps as well.

So, if you follow your idea through to the logical conclusion, and alcohol were served at an event like this...Could you even have people under 21 there? The rule in Ames is that you have to be 21 to get into a bar or alcohol-serving club, and I uncertain we would have enough food sales to not be classified that way. A great percentage of people we are trying to reach are under 21.

If we did serve alcohol, what would make us any different or more attractive to the world? Sure they might come, but if people are getting drunk and acting just as stupid as they do at the bars, would our light shine through? Will drunk people have intelligent conversations about deep questions? I know some people will drink and not get drunk...but at least most times I've been around college students drinking, most of them were pretty smashed or in the process of getting there.

How would it affect our brothers and sisters in Christ who have come out of a lifestyle of underage drinking or alcohol abuse (both of which are pretty clearly not okay in the scriptures)? I have known a number of people that because of their background, it is too much of a temptation for them to be around people drinking. They aren't sure they have enough self-control yet to refrain from falling into old behaviors.

Those are a few questions...I am interested in how you would answer them, considering your bold statements above! :)

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Re: Following this to its logical conclusion...
[info]teegerthelemur
2005-05-10 09:52 pm UTC (link)
I hadn't really thought of the legal issues of underage people not being allowed in the bars. That might throw a serious monkey wrench in that part of my idea. But let me elaborate on my ideas on the "alcohol" aspect a little more to see if it makes more sense. First of all, I obviously don't think we should serve like hard liquor. People can go elsewhere to get their vodka and jager-bomb fixes. I was envisioning more like beer or the fruity bacardi like drinks that are only 5% alcohol, and so you would really have to have a lot of it to get drunk. I don't know how you could monitor it, but I don't think the Rock should tolerate drunkeness at all. My main reason for thinking that we should serve some alcoholic drinks is that college students are into that. Alcohol isn't evil, and maybe we could use it to draw people into an atmosphere where Jesus reigns, not alcohol. I think what it comes down to is I tend to be a visionary at times, and I'm not always sure where reality comes into play. So I'll just be honest and say that I don't even know if its possible at all. What I do know is that if we really are serious about reaching the "bar people" we have to have something that is appealing to them. If you want to catch a fish, you probably wouldn't want to use your bare hands. Sure you might catch one if you get really lucky. But your best approach would be to use a lure that looks like a minnow or something that fish eat. Not that I consider unsaved people to be "fish just waiting to be caught", but you get the idea. So maybe alcohol isn't plausible, but we as the Rock must in some way find ways to attract those people who frequent the bars.

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[info]wonderingwhere
2005-05-11 12:34 am UTC (link)
sounds awesome. i agree wholeheartedly to the idea of reaching people where they're at with the gospel. it seems that too often christians just stand by and wait for people to seek them. this happens sometimes, but i don't believe it's the way God has called all Christians to be. I believe that my calling is in outreach. The way you feel about the Rock is the way i feel about my music: it needs to meet the listener where they're at and draw them in deeper. Whether it be through the lyrics or an investigation of my life.

no doubt, your ideas are radical. i can honestly say that i don't think you have much of a chance of convincing the Rock to change their ways, but i believe that you have a great chance on coming up with something new.

i know that you believe you're led to ministry at rosebud... but teege, these sound like the makings of a dream. perhaps a God-breathed dream. maybe you're the next cultural progression of the church--the culturally relevant one. There's nothing wrong with drinking (except in excess), and i love your ideas on the open forum of the music and discussions

i've often wondered why, when people lead worship, they stand on stages in front of people. doesn't it make much more sense for them to stand behind with the crowd facing the same way they are? isn't the purpose of music to aide us in focousing our hearts on God? it makes sense that we should be pointed in no particular direction, only centering our hearts on Him.

*shrugs* keep thinking. i pray for your conviction

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-11 02:15 pm UTC (link)
Bro, you have hit on ideas that are on my mind constantly.

literally, nearly every waking moment.

i have answers to some of your questions, and i love most of your ideas.

i don't have time to write them here.

let's go get a beer sometime and discuss :)

-matt (mattandnancy.org)

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